Monday, May 15, 2006

The Truth about Windows Embedded Students Challenge (WESC) 2006 Finals Projects

Microsoft Corporation sponsored an international competition, titled Windows Embedded Student Challenge 2006. This contest was first organised in 2004 and has been held ever since. Due to the involvement of Microsoft, the competition attracts huge interest from the student community.

As part of the contest, the organizers (Microsoft Corporation) propose a theme for the competition and expects participating team to design and build projects in line with the theme. To help the design and implementation, it provides free hardware and software tools. The hardware platform is an x86 derived single board computer, called Ebox. The software tools includes the Windows CE RTOS development suite.

Participants are expected to design their projects around the Ebox and WinCE RTOS.

This year around 230 teams sent proposals to the organizers, out of which 200 teams were selected and were provided with the abovementioned tools.

Out of these 200 teams, about 185 teams sent final reports which were evaluated by a team of judges to select the top 30 projects. The list of these top 30 teams together with their reports is available here.

This year, the theme for the contest was "Preserving, Protecting and Enhancing the Environment".

The teams are supposed to follow eligibility rules as listed on the Windows Challenge website. One assumes that teams that do not meet the eligibility criterion, will be inelligible? Or so I thought.

Also, since this is a Microsoft spondored project, it is obvious that Microsoft's motive is to try and popularize the use of WInCE RTOS amongst the student community. The choice of Ebox is only to allow the operation of WInCE RTOS. It could as well have been any other hardware platform.

It is therefore natural to expect that a participant would develop a project that would justify the use of Ebox and WinCE RTOS. Or am I too naive to assume that?

It is worthwhile to note that the Ebox is a serious piece of hardware. It is an Vortex86 200 Mhz processor based, small foorprint embedded system with a serial port, a parallel port, 3 USB ports, an ethernet port, AV'97 audio, PS2 mouse and keyboard ports, VGA port. The Ebox consumes about 10W of power in active mode.

I was a mentor to a team from NSIT, which in my opinion implemented a wonderful project (which btw, is being patented now). Unfortunately, the judges did not deem the project as worthy of selection in the final 30 list.

My team brought to my notice that some of the teams did not meet the eligibility criterion. They also mentioned that many projects seemed very trivial for an Ebox. Many infact do not need any RTOS at all.

I then decided to read all the reports and make an assessment about such projects, which, in my opinion do not justify the use of an EBox and WinCE RTOS. My brief report about such projects is available here.

Read it for yourself and make your own judgement and decide if these selected project deserve to be in top 30 by any measurement metrics? If you would like to read my team's report for comparison sake or otherwise, send me a mail at dvgadre@gmail.com and I will be more than glad to mail you a copy.

I have brought this to the notice of the organizers of WESC'06 but they have decided to ignore my feedback and go ahead with the contest as per the schedule.

I guess its bye bye future Microsoft contests, as far as I am concerned.


Dhananjay V. Gadre

43 Comments:

Anonymous Gene Berkowitz said...

Interesting that you savage the other team entries, but don't even give a cursory description about your team's project.
It appears to me that the Ebox is offered as a development platform; it certainly isn't intended to serve as the final production platform, and your remarks about its power consumption and unsuitability as such completely miss the point.
Comments such as "..the design also mentions use of SMS, which is again not possible in all situations" are cheap shots. There are always practical limitations to any project. The fact is, the availability of GSM or SMS is high, and increases with every passing week, because the market demands it.
"Impractical at this point of time (and for the next 10 years at least) and therefore unfeasible." This is simply a pathetic statement coming from a technologist. Twenty years ago, a pocket size mobile phone was impractical. Thirty years ago, a personal computer was impractical. Forty years ago, commercial jet travel was impractical. Fifty years ago, nuclear power was impractical. I would rather that these students be encouraged to create something "unfeasible" today, rather than provide the world with more derivative junk, like a microprocessor-controlled toaster. Every invention worth mentioning was unfeasible when it was conceived; it is through the determination and vision of inventors that their dreams become our next "must-have" product. If invention were easy, anyone could do it.

9:02 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Mr. Berkowitz, I would be more than happy to provide you with a copy of my team's report. Wish I knew your mail ID. My team wasnt selected for finals remember? Thats the reason I didnt mention it.

What you say is well taken. But, please remember, this is a Microsoft sponsored project. They are into this to promotoe WinCE. Not charity. If they were concerned about Embedded Systems in general, wouldnt they have floated an open "Use Whatever You like" kind of contest?

I suggest you read Sue Loh's Blog on msdn about what the judges expect about the projects. They expect participants to provide real, sellable practical solutions. Not pipe dreams.

9:47 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Oh Mr. Berkoitz, I am eager to provide you with a copy of my team's report.

Maybe you are right. Maybe I savaged those reports more than necessary. Maybe I was biased.

Why not help me make amends? I request you to choose 5 (five) experts of YOUR choice and the six of you can review my team's report together with the rest 30 reports available out there and decide for yourself if most of the reports that I singled out ought to be in the top 30?

Is that a deal?

I am waiting eagerly for your response and consent :)

9:57 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Ricky Ramirez said...

Which is the objetive of such contest? Promotion?

It is for sure Mr Gadre, your project was not good enough for them. End of story.

By the way, I like your embedded systems page. I'll come frequently.

9:19 AM, May 16, 2006  
Blogger Ricky Ramirez said...

What can you tell me about sasken?

9:52 AM, May 16, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Mr. Ramirez,

I dont know much about Sasken, except that its a sweat shop operating in India.

10:56 AM, May 16, 2006  
Blogger Ricky Ramirez said...

Sweat shop?

I thought it was a SW company :)

Anyway, maybe it is not a good idea to be hired there.

12:35 PM, May 16, 2006  
Anonymous Raju said...

Oh it is so pleasing to see a post like this, I have my reservations about Microsoft contests too !! They are nothing but mere promotions ... for instance the IT challenge of last year's imagine cup had everything to do with WinServer03 and little to do with anything else ... Does IT start and get over with WinServer03 ?

1:09 PM, May 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, you are a really big prick - even for an Indian male. Sorry your project didn't get picked but most likely you are just an arrogant asshole who thinks he is the best in all the world anyway.

6:35 AM, May 25, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Mr. Anonymous Smartypants:

For starters, I dont hide myself (unlike you). Besides, it was not MY project. But let me guess, you must be from one of the busted teams?

Enjoy!

6:45 AM, May 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So ya
Thought ya
Might like to go to the show
To feel the warm thrill of confusion
That space cadet glow
Tell me is something eluding you, sunshine?
Is this not what you expected to see?
If you wanna find out what's behind these cold eyes
You'll just have to claw your way through this disguise


-- Pink FLoyd: The Wall

chill out man!!

9:39 AM, May 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous AKA pink floyd AKA loser:

Ouchhh.. me thinks Gadre hurt u badddd...somewhere deep down.... u knw where...

10:24 AM, May 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Mr gadre,
I am from NSIT 4th year,for the general public this is the institute where this man is a teacher.Teachers are supposed to nurture and guide their students and not wear their egos on their sleaves.Mr gadre you are a disgrace to the teaching fraternity in the way that u behaved.if a student would hv posted it,it still may make sense BUT a teacher stooping so low.shame on you Mr.By the way ur not a PHD as yet.its better you spend ur time in constructive activities n let the contests be. Only after years of research will maturity dawn on ur shoulders and u would behave in a matter that fits a teacher.cheers!!

10:36 AM, May 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

abc

10:39 AM, May 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is an interesting story everybody should be interested in.
Here it goes:

Sonu: 'Papa, Papa, mujhe US jaana hai. Wahan pe microcontrolled toys aur avr choclates khana hai'

Papa: Bete agle mahine hum sab microsoft ke kharche pe redmond jayenge. Maine fingerprint based Voting system banaya hai'

Sonu: 'Par EVM to India mein dus saal se hai, iska environment se kya relation'

Papa: Bete woh sab to theek hai nmujhe to bas ghumna hai

Ek mahine baad....

Beta: Hum US kab jayenge?

Papa: Beta US to bekaar hai upar se MS chor hai... woh to hamara idea churana chahte hain. Bakki projects to bahut bekaar the.


Moral of the Story:
1. There is nothing as free lunch. The microsoft panel was unbiased, surely you agree. They are also the best.
2. Don't be childish, Just Grow Up!
3. The idea of a voting system to save the environment SUCKS!

12:50 PM, May 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow...!!!! guyss.....
this blog is cool....
reminds me of certain soap opera....mmmm..lemme gather the name...ya i got it..its called " SAAS BHI KABHI BAHU THI"..where a saas cannot accept that her son can listen to someone else than her..mmmm..n there jus like any hindi film vamp she plots and spits poison against her able BAHU...and wat she forgets is that she was also a BAHU..may be someone got the point..a TEACHER was also a STUDENT in his life once...
now someone remembers his old days?? of being a student??..the inumerable impractical innovations coming to mind...which were rejected by everyone..yet the confidence..the belief.. on those ideas remainin firm....workin hard day night..jus to convince that an indian can also do wat others do.may b even better....???..do we always have to copy west ..work on their lines..n dream nothing...and be a shame on fellow teachers..instead of encouraging the brightest mind of the country to innovate something...
????
should we always be NSIT or we would try to be something world looks upto....an MIT..or may be even better???
answer lies with you..dear SIR

1:04 PM, May 25, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Dear Anonymous_from_NSIT_4th_year

As you probably realize these comments by you can be moderated/altered/deleted by me. But I have not and will not do so.

If you had been my student, you would have known that I provide my students a large space to express themselves. In the same spirit, I will allow you to express yourself freely here.

I do take strong exception to your abusive language, that indicates an unacceptably high level of lumpen character and mob behaviour (although thats quite common for someone belonging to Delhi). And I can only ascribe that to perhaps a faulty upbringing.

As a mentor it was my responsibiliy to provide my team with all the infrastructure, tools, discussuion forum etc. I have done that to the best of my abilities. You are free to compare and introspect what your mentor did for you.

As far as the report that I have made public, trust me that it was my team members who read each and every report from the top-30 list. Based on that, they made a preliminary writeup. I only moderated it a little bit.

They are within their right to say what they feel is unsuitable in their own judgement and I am within my rights to temper it suitably and promote it. If that draws flak, I am solely responsible for that.

I dont see how that disgraces me as a teacher.

Since my team put in considerable amount of time, efforts and money in their project and I spent a lot of time with them, it is only natural that we feel indignant about some of the work selected in the top-30 list (specially those from NSIT) that have clearly some element of plagiarism.

As far as the issue of my not being a PhD is concerned, that is none of your concern. The college authorities find it fit to appoint me on my current qualifications and I believe I do a bloody good job with my teaching.

As far as maturity goes, suffice it to say that I dont go around soliciting students to mentor (unlike your Mentor).

Yours affectionately,

dvg

1:19 AM, May 26, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Dear Anonymous_from_NSIT_4th_year,

This is in reponse to the story about Sonu and Papa that you relate.

First off, you show pretty good originality. I just hope, you do write your own lab reports and project reports independently and not copy it from others or cut-paste from the Internet, which is so very very common in NSIT.

I wont seek lone claim to the idea of fingerprint based volting machine at all. It was my teams work.

You are damn right! I am a great sucker for free, sponsored travel and believe me, I am very good at it too. Last year i flew all over the country and I didnt pay for any of that. All these were for invited talks in various institutes around India.

But, I dont travel for the sake of travel and I dont go around soliciting multiple student teams to mentor, just to increase my chances of selection (thats what your mentor does). That is so disgraceful and beneath me.

Yes, EVMs have been around for 10 years and what is happenning with our elections? They are now videographing everyone who votes! Why? because they are not sure that EVMs can keep lumpen elements away.

Whats the solution? You know it.. I dont have to repeat.

If you grow up and get to stay in this country and get to vote, I would want to see the expression on your face as you swipe your finger across the fingerprint sensor based Voting Machine. Mark my words. That machine would have "Conceived and Designed by certain students and a faculty of NSIT" printed on it.

And whats the relation between Environment and the voting machine? Well, the easy answer is look up your dictionary. For your benefit, let me quote answers.com:

The totality of circumstances surrounding an organism or group of organisms, especially: The complex of social and cultural conditions affecting the nature of an individual or community.

So environment doesnt just mean natural, physical environment.

The difficult answer to the relation between environment and our voting machine is, that we believe having a democratically elected government that has credibility is a first important step towards protecting and nurturing the natural environment. Now that may sound a bit of a tenuous argument on the face of it, but I am sure its not beyond you (after all you are a student of NSIT and hopefully you didnt pay someone to clear the CEE) to appreciate the ramifications.

And a foolproof (AKA fingerprint or other biometric based) Voting machine would go a long way in electing a credible democratic government.


About the microsoft panel being competent, I urge you to read this google groups post on Embedded Systems:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.arch.embedded/browse_thread/thread/5b1fa8e30d4a62f3/b1e615b1936eb48e#b1e615b1936eb48e

Now draw your own moral of the story again.

Yours affectionately,

dvg

PS: Without ego, you would be identifiable only by your passport.

2:24 AM, May 26, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Dear Saas_Bahu_Anonymous_from_NSIT_4th_year:

No I dont watch this Saas Bahu thing. Thats for imbeciles.

A teacher is a teacher only when he is a lifelong student.

And if you want to know the truth about some practical innovations which work , take some time out and visit IUCAA Pune, they have put together a 2m class optical telescope and much of the instrumentation there was designed by me. Have a look.

You are ofcourse welcome to visit CEDT closer home, for innovations, but I doubt you would have any courage left to do that.

And no, I dont have to convince anyone, least of all you. The brightest mind of the country that you seem to speak of do two things: They either sell coke, pepsi and oil after doing an MBA or run away to slave in sweatshops.


Should we always be NSIT? Yes ofcourse! Why should we want to ape anyone? I dont know about you, but I wont want to be anyone else. I am me and thats the way I like it. Why do you mention MIT? Is that a hint? You going there?

dvg

8:19 AM, May 26, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Borrowing from George Bernard Shaw:

I am beginning to learn, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

9:19 AM, May 26, 2006  
Blogger Shivkumar said...

A Slashdot story-
Biometric solution suggested by the New York Mayor instead Social Security Cards

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/24/D8HQE6B80.html

See, the analogy is very simple. Just as we resort to computers/embedded systems for automating every other mundane (infact now even intelligent) tasks, so do we feel the need to automate the process of identifying individuals uniquely. This is the basic purpose of biometric technologies. The need for identification arises for accessing a variety of services/facilities/access rights, ranging from your bank account to your PC. As of now we are inundated with lots cards to manage and passwords to remember.

The credit cards, driving licence, passport, voter card, employee/student I-cards and lots more.

One such card is the Social Security card issued by the US government against a social security number for every legal citizen of the US. And, no wonder, the mayor of New York suggested an idea very similar to our Biometric Voting Machine, as a solution to the problem of illegal immigrants.

He suggest that the US govt. should maintain a fingerprint or DNA database that would help prevent violation of citizens' privacy. Especially, he adds, when the PCs and Photoshops are at everybody's disposal, they reduce the SS-card to a mere joke!

6:08 AM, May 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading the comments shared b/w GADRE sir & 4TH year student i think instead of fighting here we can apreciate the work done by the teams. As for Mr. Gadre sir pls. don't lose heart like this.These all things are part of life. win some lose some.Now you know how these challenges work.Sir, i can only say take it as a challenge again participate next time and show people your worth.Don't say bye to MICROSOFT instead make them to invite you for finals by your work next time & sir as far as MBA goes that thing is irrelevant to this discussion & sir, they people are also need for this country to grow.
alone tech. can't take a country to heights yeah its need also. may be you thinkover to participate again.

5:40 PM, May 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,

Its great that you put together those 13 or so project abstracts in one pagers. It was nice, and I could get the basic idea of each project fairly quickly instead of having to plough through the reports. Perhaps Microsoft should do that in the future.

The reasoning that because the said competition is sponsored by Microsoft, it ought to highlight what Windows CE / E-box can do seems shaky. IMO, a competiton will value ideas (and implementation as a proof of concept). It cant be about finding the best project idea for a given implementation scheme (e-box/wince in this case). Once the prototype establishes the idea, an engineering team can translate it into a product (and choose the most optimum h/w s/w combination to do that).

italy@bonbon.net

9:08 PM, May 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to start another quarrel, Mr. Gadre, I have a doubt regarding your project. It takes a finger print scan and then verifies it with a stored database. I know of atleast a dozen companies that manufacture attendance and time management solutions for offices and workshops. How is your machine different? Its just tickering with the design of the database, the machine interface and thats it! You get a voting machine. If you want to have a look of such a machine, you can visit TERI office at India Habitat Center, and to the best of my knowledge, that machine has been in use from past 7-8 years. Some of such machines I googled are-

http://www.ravirajtech.com/time-tronix-desktop.html
http://english.oa365.com/website_en/prod/prod_det.asp?productcode=01060107005

And yes, apart from technical stuff, If ego is your only identity besides your passport, I am sorry to say your life is walled with eccentricism. If you have ego because you feel you do good work, you are only working for yourself. I am nobody in myself, but a man whom I admire, Albert Einstein, says:

"If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."

Cheers!!!

PS: I am anonymous because I have not registered on blogger. I am going to do that right away and write a verification post. I speak truth and fear no one, but God.

6:07 AM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Dear Anonymous_soon_to_be _registered:

I am aware of finger print devices for attendance etc. If you do know about a finger print based device for voting, which addresses issues associated with a voting process , do let me know. My team's device includes components to track and communicate with the voting unit.

When you register, send me a mail and I will send you a copy of my team's report.

As far as ego and other issues are concerned, yes first and foremost I work for myself. I work for my pleasure and happiness. If that helps others, I am glad.

For too long, far too many people in this country have been couching their own agenda in the garb of social service. The majority of current politicians and 'NGO' grade social workers fall in that category.

I honestly proclaim that I am extremely self centered, egotist and such. If that is a problem with anyone, so be it.

dvg
PS: Someone I dont recall said, its fashioable to quote famous people after they become famous.

6:23 AM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Dear Anonymous_soon_to_be _registered:

You mention the use of finger print device for attendence and time management applications being in use for a long time and you wonder whats the novelty quotient of a finger print based voting machine?

Let me give you a counter example: The automobile was invented in 1885 by Karl Benz. The prime components of automobile being, the internal combustion engine, the wheels and the carriage. Now each of these components were available long before 1885. But it still took Mr. Benz to put these things together and demonstrate the usefulness of this device before anyone realized the importance of the automobile. The rest as they say is history.

dvg
PS: In hindsight, everything looks obvious.

7:07 AM, May 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Gadre, I never meant to demean your work, firstly. Period. I appreciate the work done with honesty and dedication. And from this thread and your sense of countering any question has impressed me. But, theres a big flaw in your approach. I hope you are open to constructive criticism. If not, I am sorry, I wasted your and my time. The competetion strictly says that the role of the mentor is only to guide students, not help them by doing any sort of work yourself. But it seems, the project looked too professional and not at all studentish. There has to be an element that makes the judge feel that its an original work. Your spontaniety in proving the work by criticizing other reports, and by telling that you are getting a patent is not going to move even a blip of dirt on this earth. Just go ahead, show the world, why fight over with petty people around.

Microsoft is not the only firm to recognize your talent, they may even be unaware of what you wanted to show. Form your own firm, go ahead, move the earth. Who stops you? But for God's sake, stop demeaning other people's work. I hope you are calm by the time you are reading this line.

Cheers!

9:43 AM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Dear Mr_Constructive_critisizer:

All critism is welcome (anonymous or otherwise), constructive, demeaning or downright abusive. As you would have noted, I havent been partial to any particular.

You seem to suggest that I have had more than a mentor's role to play in the project. Far from it. The correct characterization could be that of a financer and a tough task master with a whip :)

I will pass on your comment that "the project looked too professional and not at all studentish" to my students and am sure my team would appreciate that.

dvg

9:56 AM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Shivkumar said...

Yes, sir! I thot the same as you did! I felt great after seeing that

comment. The project does look professionally carved. Good enough that

even barking dogs can imagine that an enterprise can be spun around it.

So its called -ve criticism and the interestingly, still the criticizer

calls himself constructive. As per the good Shiv Khera, there are two

kinds of criticism- +ve which is constructive and for improvement and

-ve which is out of jealousy. These bow wows even on your prompt replies

evidently classify them in the darker category.

I and Arjun always felt that we are moving in a very meticulous and

methodical way. I have received encouraging remarks from my friends, all

of whom were invariably impressed when I explained the problem we are

tackling and the fool proof nature of the solution we are working on.

But these worthy anonymous tongues are only giving us more reasons to be

proud.

Hmmmm...was wondering if its Santa, Banta or some other Singh...:D

11:21 AM, May 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your making of the posts moderated shows that you are afraid of people saying things about your project. You yourself has invited them and now have some courage my friend. Let them come, you may want to accept some of them those are good. And whose this creature in blue shirt mentioning a critic to be a dog. And he needs to wear a fur cap to look like a Santa Claus and theres no Banta with the Santa, teach him if you know him(he calls you Sir, do you teach him? Did you bribe him with grades to support you here?) He himself looks like a bull dog. And it seems that in the past you have been taking criticism from only dogs. Is that why you flunked? I am sorry I am forced to write bad language, but I am provoked to. I just said it looked too professional and never that "your" students made it. If they did, you should not prove it here. You knowing it is enough. Pride in your own self should be satisfying enough. Why do you need to shoot self targetted spearheads?

PS: These discussions do not question your technical competency, I do not care about that. What indulges me and brings me back here is the will to understand the psychology of an interesting and confident ( I admire that) human being . The reason behind the confidence is also something that I want to understand.

Cheers!

-Kelvin Chan

1:36 PM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Kelvin Chan said...

here comes my verification post!

2:04 PM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

The reason I have the comments moderated is to ensure that comment posted here do not drift off topic. Before I had them moderated, see how a person started asking me if I knew anything about Sasken. Anyone is welcome to ask me any question, but for that the email works just fine.

Similarly, I have not made live, your comment about Einstien being famous before the birth of either of us. That kind of comment is welcome, but this is not the forum for that.

Whoever this creature in blue shirt is, is certainly not anonymous. He has his own blog site and you are free to battle it out with him on HIS site.

I cant control what he says, in much the same way I cant control what you say. And he must have been provoked to use harsh language, in exactly the same way you and others up above have used bad or even abusive language.

Sorry, I dont quite understand what looked professional? The report made public on this site? If you call that professional, then I am sure you would faint when you see the project report of my team completely written by my team alone .

And since this is MY blogsite, wouldnt you kindly let ME have the say as to what I put on here?

About your PS, you seem to have rather short memory about your first comment. This is what you said: "It takes a finger print scan and then verifies it with a stored database. I know of atleast a dozen companies that manufacture attendance and time management solutions for offices and workshops. How is your machine different?" .

Which not only questions our technical competence, it also tries to question our common sense (like asking cant you just google and see a 100 companies are using finger print sensor for all kinds of things.. whats so special about finger print voting machine?).

It was only after I gave you a counter example about innovation, that you seem to have slightly straightened up.

In that context, let me share the philosophy of Gandhi, on non-violence, which is a much trumpeted but little understood concept. He talked of non-voilence of the Strong and not the non-violence of the meek or the helpless. If I have strength, which I choose not to use , that is true non-violence. If i am helpless and meek, any talk of non-violence is bullshit. In much the same way, I retain the right to moderate, but I dont stop anyone to say anything as long as it goes with the topic.

dvg

9:38 PM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Welcome aboard Mr. Chan.

It seems to have taken you quite a while to register and get on board (although you seemed to suggest in your first anonymous post, that you were going to do that right away).

Welcome on blogspot nonetheless (I seem to be welcoming you like I own blogspot :) ).

dvg

9:45 PM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Kelvin Chan said...

You quoting Gandhi? You only said that famous people are quoted only when they become famous. Good keeping upto the words.

Please read the PS again. It says " I do not care about your technical competency" and never that theres no question on that.

And yes, if you are still open to some criticism, please feel free to mail your report at chakelvi@gmail.com..

Adios.

12:05 AM, May 30, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Dear Mr. Chan,

I tried sending our report to your mail ID. It bounced back.

dvg

12:18 AM, May 30, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Mr. Chan,

I didnt quote Gandhi.. I just told you about his philosophy.. Which anyway is as old and prevalent in India as mountains...

dvg

12:23 AM, May 30, 2006  
Blogger Kelvin Chan said...

Oops...a typo. Please take some time again to send it at chakelvin@gmail.com.

PS: I have a break right now. Would apreciate if I get it early.

Thanks

1:17 AM, May 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Gadre
In fact u dont deserve any salutation but still..i had clarified that i do not belong to any of the participating teams n u should stop bragging" your mentor" at the drop of a hat BUT it seems it was too much for you.I am sure you are not going to publish this but everyone in the institute knows about your double standards. Again if you are as good a teacher as u claim to be why dont u find a place in the seven IITs.oops i forgot, those without a Phd are not even eligible for temporary lectureship. well the best brains go to international conferences at ur level and you are brooding about a microsoft student competition.Guess under achievers always have an excuse!! Do a Phd at least,it may lend some credibility to the crap you publish BUT with ur attitude even that is an impossibility.
Have a good and satisfied life!!!
bye

6:53 AM, May 30, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Dear Gutless_still_anonymous_from_NSIT:

Your comments dont deserve any response, other than that I must have rubbed you rather bad in a big way (ofcourse with the intention to make a horse out of an ass) and hope you feel better abusing here. Getting your frustration out is good.

But it seems, your gutless personality entered the college 4 years ago and is leaving as gutless, perhaps even worse.

All those other faculty members with PhD couldnt do anything to improve your lot.

However, dont lose hope. All the best to you too.

I am sure you play cricket. If you do manage to gather some courage to come and meet me, after you pass out, dont forget the L-gaurd at home.

affectionately,

dvg

10:34 AM, May 30, 2006  
Blogger Dhananjay Gadre said...

Dear Gutless_from_NSIT:

When you overdo something, you run the risk of being exposed. And specially if sorry happens to be your middle name.

I know exactly who you are. Come meet me in my office today (31st may) at 11 am.

Affectionately,

dvg

5:40 PM, May 30, 2006  
Anonymous Sunu Engineer said...

I recently read Dhananjay's teams report as well as his analysis of other projects. It seems surprising to me that so much vitriol is associated with the simple aspect of developing technology whether for the present or the future.

Integrating over the large number of ballot papers and concomitant transportation,counting and verification and other auxiliary costs that elections generate in a large democracy, I find this project to have significant environmental relevance over and above some of the other projects which have been reviewed in the document written by him.

It is not very easy to determine whether the criteria for selection is biased or not. If a futuristic idea is the aim of the contest, then I am afraid that this application would prove simplistic. If an application with immediate practicality is what the contest is aimed at then I am afraid that the current selection seems to be mistaken in leaving this application out.

The question is best answered not by conversations on this web based community but by microsoft's denouement of their selection criteria and processes.

I further deplore the human venom that seems to be unleashed over such matters and would like to request everyone to go gently in this universe.

10:22 PM, June 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

U really suck Mr. Gadre

9:23 AM, June 06, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a new anonymous but again frm nsit final yr...dvg mate i tink ur much better a teacher thn d world gives u credit for..unorthodox but good..durin my placements d one thing i was confident was d subject u'd taught!!! good job
just one suggestion..u were a student once n u know tat u didnt love every subject u had yeah!u chose ur path d way u liked it..let us pick ours..be lenient to us man..we're not so bad..i mean test those who really claim to know things..but wen u look at a student n know he doesnt know a thing, just give him some credit for knowing smthn!!
its not like we dont do anything..just tat we prioritize in our own ways!!!
anyhow dis wasnt so much a suggestion note than t was a congratulations letter..i like d way u know ur subjects (and more) and really can express (unlike most f d faculty in NSIT)
cheers...n again..good job
ps-lookin forward to appearing for ur viva soon :p

11:19 AM, November 06, 2009  

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